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Title : "First of all, I know Bobby from the time I met Maria. I always liked him. But when I look at him being suspicious of certain things, I ask myself..."
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"First of all, I know Bobby from the time I met Maria. I always liked him. But when I look at him being suspicious of certain things, I ask myself..."
"Can anyone really judge him in a fair way? Because here’s a guy who has had an uncle assassinated, a father assassinated. No one wants to open up the files. So you must say to yourself, What is the reason for that? You start not trusting governments. I don’t live with this kind of suspicion, because nothing ever happened to me that makes me feel like that. But a lot of things happened to him, so this is where he is coming from. I’m not saying rightfully or wrongfully. I’m just saying I can see why someone like him is the way he is."
Said Arnold Schwarzenegger, responding to a NYT interviewer, in "Arnold Schwarzenegger Is Here to Pump You Up (Emotionally)."
Schwarzenegger is promoting a new book (which has a Jordon Petersonesque title: "Be Useful: Seven Tools for Life").
The interviewer, David Marchese, had asked "what do you make of R.F.K. Jr.’s anti-vax, conspiracist turn?"
Marchese follows up — evoking the Moynihan meme you are not entitled to your own facts — "But we can be sympathetic to someone and what happened to them and also say facts are facts."
Schwarzenegger seems unaware of the old meme. He says: "His facts are different. I understand what you’re saying, but there’s people out there who have their own facts."
Nudged — "That’s the problem" — Schwarzenegger catches up: "Of course it’s a problem, but I’m just saying it’s not that you can go to someone and say, 'Look, these are the facts.' I see Bobby in Gold’s Gym. I like him, and I love that he’s out there running. I will always say great things about Bobby, because during my entire existence with the Kennedys he always treated me with respect. I will always do this the same way back: absolute respect."
Marchese leaves it at that, as well he should. Schwarzenegger has already conceded that his support for Bobby is deep family love — reinforced by the fellowship of Gold's Gym.
The conversation moves on. There's a lot about Schwarzenegger's acting — how much he got from Clint Eastwood and Milton Berle, etc. But Marchese gets back to politics. I'll just jump back into the conversation here — the boldface is Marchese — where the subject is — once again — the notion of having "your own facts":
But making decisions just based on polls is what makes politicians say that Jan. 6 was overblown or that Trump won the 2020 election.
If politicians don’t feel comfortable with the truth, that’s nothing unusual. These guys can lie better than anybody. Some people do that in order to get re-elected. For that, they will say, “Yes, this election was rigged.” If you put them on the lie detector, I can guarantee you it’ll be a different story. But that’s OK. They have to play their schmäh in their game, and it doesn’t mean I have to buy into this whole thing....
Schmäh came up earlier in the conversation. It's a German word Schwarzenegger likes to use. It doesn't mean lying, he said, but "kind of like, you wrap it up in a more attractive package... [i]n order to sell something." I'm not making a new tag for "schmäh." I'm just using my old English-word tag, "propaganda." But it might mean something closer to "sales pitch."
Marchese brings up Nazis:
You grew up in Austria right after World War II. You had exposure to people who believed in fascism. So when you hear people say Donald Trump is a burgeoning fascist or the Republican Party is authoritarian, does that sound alarmist to you, or do you think there’s truth to it?
Schwarzenegger gives an elegant, low-key response — incorporating the notion of schmäh:
I cannot tell you if Trump is prejudiced. I think that he made moves and said things that sound like it, but I don’t know what’s in his heart. The right or the left, both sides have to make an effort to come together and solve problems. We need a leader who has the energy to bring people together, who sells that idea, and who is convincing enough to bring people together because they want to work together. I mean, a few months ago, we were in Washington. I met with 20-some Republicans who were interested in the environment. We didn’t talk about climate change, because they maybe are not into that. But they were into “let’s get rid of pollution.” There may be half of them who deny climate change, but definitely not pollution. So you repackage it. The search has to be for the sweet spot rather than how can I attack the other side.
Marchese invites Schwarzenegger to name someone who could be a unifying figure. Schwarzenegger names Deion Sanders. But he quickly shifts to a high level of generality. We need "someone who comes in and doesn’t talk about the details":
Just talk about the big picture: We got to go and be No. 1 as a country, and this is what we need to do, and we need to have everyone come together. Yes, we can have differences of opinions, but it has to be run as if everyone’s together on the same team for the better good. That’s what we have to do in politics rather than bickering and getting stuck in ideological corners. Someone has to come forward and talk about rebuilding the country in a really great way and about the things that are really important rather than, “Should we have a bathroom for trans people?” All the little battles just hold us up.
"Can anyone really judge him in a fair way? Because here’s a guy who has had an uncle assassinated, a father assassinated. No one wants to open up the files. So you must say to yourself, What is the reason for that? You start not trusting governments. I don’t live with this kind of suspicion, because nothing ever happened to me that makes me feel like that. But a lot of things happened to him, so this is where he is coming from. I’m not saying rightfully or wrongfully. I’m just saying I can see why someone like him is the way he is."
Said Arnold Schwarzenegger, responding to a NYT interviewer, in "Arnold Schwarzenegger Is Here to Pump You Up (Emotionally)."
Schwarzenegger is promoting a new book (which has a Jordon Petersonesque title: "Be Useful: Seven Tools for Life").
The interviewer, David Marchese, had asked "what do you make of R.F.K. Jr.’s anti-vax, conspiracist turn?"
Marchese follows up — evoking the Moynihan meme you are not entitled to your own facts — "But we can be sympathetic to someone and what happened to them and also say facts are facts."
Schwarzenegger seems unaware of the old meme. He says: "His facts are different. I understand what you’re saying, but there’s people out there who have their own facts."
Nudged — "That’s the problem" — Schwarzenegger catches up: "Of course it’s a problem, but I’m just saying it’s not that you can go to someone and say, 'Look, these are the facts.' I see Bobby in Gold’s Gym. I like him, and I love that he’s out there running. I will always say great things about Bobby, because during my entire existence with the Kennedys he always treated me with respect. I will always do this the same way back: absolute respect."
Marchese leaves it at that, as well he should. Schwarzenegger has already conceded that his support for Bobby is deep family love — reinforced by the fellowship of Gold's Gym.
The conversation moves on. There's a lot about Schwarzenegger's acting — how much he got from Clint Eastwood and Milton Berle, etc. But Marchese gets back to politics. I'll just jump back into the conversation here — the boldface is Marchese — where the subject is — once again — the notion of having "your own facts":
But making decisions just based on polls is what makes politicians say that Jan. 6 was overblown or that Trump won the 2020
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election.
If politicians don’t feel comfortable with the truth, that’s nothing unusual. These guys can lie better than anybody. Some people do that in order to get re-elected. For that, they will say, “Yes, this election was rigged.” If you put them on the lie detector, I can guarantee you it’ll be a different story. But that’s OK. They have to play their schmäh in their game, and it doesn’t mean I have to buy into this whole thing....
Schmäh came up earlier in the conversation. It's a German word Schwarzenegger likes to use. It doesn't mean lying, he said, but "kind of like, you wrap it up in a more attractive package... [i]n order to sell something." I'm not making a new tag for "schmäh." I'm just using my old English-word tag, "propaganda." But it might mean something closer to "sales pitch."
Marchese brings up Nazis:
You grew up in Austria right after World War II. You had exposure to people who believed in fascism. So when you hear people say Donald Trump is a burgeoning fascist or the Republican Party is authoritarian, does that sound alarmist to you, or do you think there’s truth to it?
Schwarzenegger gives an elegant, low-key response — incorporating the notion of schmäh:
I cannot tell you if Trump is prejudiced. I think that he made moves and said things that sound like it, but I don’t know what’s in his heart. The right or the left, both sides have to make an effort to come together and solve problems. We need a leader who has the energy to bring people together, who sells that idea, and who is convincing enough to bring people together because they want to work together. I mean, a few months ago, we were in Washington. I met with 20-some Republicans who were interested in the environment. We didn’t talk about climate change, because they maybe are not into that. But they were into “let’s get rid of pollution.” There may be half of them who deny climate change, but definitely not pollution. So you repackage it. The search has to be for the sweet spot rather than how can I attack the other side.
Marchese invites Schwarzenegger to name someone who could be a unifying figure. Schwarzenegger names Deion Sanders. But he quickly shifts to a high level of generality. We need "someone who comes in and doesn’t talk about the details":
Just talk about the big picture: We got to go and be No. 1 as a country, and this is what we need to do, and we need to have everyone come together. Yes, we can have differences of opinions, but it has to be run as if everyone’s together on the same team for the better good. That’s what we have to do in politics rather than bickering and getting stuck in ideological corners. Someone has to come forward and talk about rebuilding the country in a really great way and about the things that are really important rather than, “Should we have a bathroom for trans people?” All the little battles just hold us up.
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